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the answer was b, the soviet union's foreign minister during the cuban missile crisis. grow mikko held that post for an astonishing 28 years. thanks for being part of my program this beak. stay tuned for next week chld stay tuned for "reliable sources." it used to be the debates were about the candidates. these days they increasingly seem to be about the moderators. jim lehrer, and candy crowley. >> we're sort of way off topic here, governor romney. we're completely offer >> we were talking about immigration. >> quickly, mr. president, if i could have you sit down. governor romney, thank you. >> is the criticism of her role
in this debate fair or partisan? we'll examine that face-off between barack obama and mitt romney. our journal is still far more fixated on the theatrics of the bee baits and on funny little moments like this one. >> it's phrase that won't die. >> binders full of women. >> binders full of women. >> biernds full of women is something you find in a killer's basement at the end of a "law & order: svu." plus "newsweek" is ending its run. tina brown on moving into the digital world. i'm howard kurtz, and this is "rely" "reliable sources." moderate as presidential debate as we have seen this fall means putting yourself in the cross fire and that's where she found herself during the second face-off this past week. >> governor romney, there will
be plenty of chances to go off. >> let her answer and the answer way off the mark. >> you certainly will have lots of time here coming up because i want to move you on. >> i just want to make sure. i think i was supposed to get that last answer but i want to point out i don't believe. >> i don't think so, candy. i want to mauer sure our time coopers are working. >> the time keepers are all working. >> the spinners i talked to there starting dumping on the moderator. this became a major theme for some conservative moderators while others defended the host of cnn's "state of the union.." >> president obama got a little help from debate moderator candy crowley. >> ms. crowley, with all due respect i like her, she totally blew it. >> she brought honor to the whole business of moderating.
>> she did her job. entering the third and final showdown tomorrow. here in washington roger simon, chief political columnist for politico oonld jacky kucinich who writing politics. let's talk about candy crowley, did she insert herself too much as a moderator? >> not at all. she did exactly what she was supposed to do. why do they have journalists be moderators? why don't they have a time keep teller? they want to have a gloss of journalism so it doesn't look like reality tv, but they don't want journalists to really be journalists. they just want them to play journalists on tv. candy crowley was a journalist. she called out truth when truth needed to bo called out. she added perspective. she did what she was supposed
to. do you could tell which campaign thinks it lost by who attacks the moderator most. >> i have observed that. should a moderator attempt to correct the record in realtime if he or she believes the candidate has said something wrong? >> i think absolutely. she called it for romney but also president obama. whoever's complaining at the end of the debate probably last. think candy did her job. some think she did that too much. in many ways town hall folks didn't get as much participation as she had thought going in but all in all i think she did a good job. >> jacky kucinich, fox
practically devolt add day to rip on candy crowley. mitt romney didn't have a bad night but president obama was clearly. >> before anything was even said so this was set up. there was a little bit of infrastructure built already going into the debate that she was -- they was going to get some heavy criticism, particularly from the right. you heard that a lot. >> there was a memo of understanding between the campaign about how active she could be, we'll come back to that. the tone of the reaction you'll be shocked to hear was somewhat different on msnbc and on fox news. >> president obama won last night. he had good lines, good line of take, and he finished strong hitting a homer in the ninth. >> and now everybody knows exactly where the president was
tonight. beating mitt romney in the debate handling. >> obviously we saw a more aggressive, assertive president obama tonight. he was much more on his game. >> this president is not used to being questioned. he's had a fawning media and i don't think they've served him well because he has a hard time. he did not like it. he was visiticably angry, fighting for time. >> roger simon is a member of the foreign media. all you geniuses said that president obama had to be more energetic in the second debate than the first one. he was, he won, narrowly, but he one, according to the polls, and that was the story line for 12 hours and then it disappeared. why. >> does it occur to anyone we're evaluating everything that niece the material to actually being the president of the united states? you go back 20 years. debate stories were not theatrical reviews. now they're nothing but thee asterisk cal reviews. >> why is that. >> it's because the media is
treating everything including debates as entertainment. we're evaluating it as feeder. was he energetic? did he say binders? >> was it really that bad? instant answers, two-minute responses, is is that how a president acts in the white house. >> i would make the point there were actually some very substantive exchanges in both debates on tax cuts, on immigration. i want to thing of that. nia, what do you think of roger's point we're too much in the theater business not too much in the business? >> reporter: i think that's true. you see it on jon stewart and "saturday night live." and think journalists are looking for something new.
we want to have these sound bite instances. oftentimes i don't think it matters but it certainly feeds cable news for days and days and days average and i think in these timetimes, these debates come back and back and back for weeks. >> i'm going to play you five seconds at the debasement i had my head down, typing away on a story in real time and i didn't reamize the significance of this until i saw it explode on twitter. let's roll it, mitt romney. >> i went to a number of women's groups can you help us find groups and they found us whole binders full of women. >> why did this go so viral? >> i think it's because of the -- you had this narrative already about mitt romney and they're really trying to appeal to women.
it was a silly moment. it got carried away. oh, my gosh, what's this mean for mitt romney and women. >> the question was about pay equity by the wi and romney was trying to make the point when he was governor of massachusetts he was looking for qualified women to put in his cabinet but it kind of feed as what you just said a moment ago, roger. this -- this is not true of everyplace and there have been serious reports and fact checks in the major news organizations and on cnn, we get carried away by the big bird moment. >> this has been a campaign about big issues and snarky words. romnesia, i'm trying to balance this, you didn't build that.
so what this is it was -- technology is changing what we cover in every newsroom. we can see what's getting hits on our website. >> whees trending. >> exactly. so it's not only right about binders but write a story about how everyone is writing a story about it. >> it becomes very meta. as i mentioned ago, mitt romney went after president obama saying the tangss don't add up. there were exchanges on immigration-on-again brought up self-deportation, a phrase that romney used in the primaries and while it was mentioned it didn't have legs to use in newspaper terms. i'm really surprised there hasn't been more focus on the very real differences between these two candidates. >> reporter: that's right.
i think that right. if you look at the transcripts, it get processed. the only thing that people remember is biden smiling and laughing a lot or the binders full of women comment. i, too, when i heard the binders full of women comment, wow, this is mitt romney making most robust case for affirmative action i ever heard of from a republican candidate but yet when it comes from twitter you have all of these snarky comments and i'm sure we'll see lots of halloween costumes around that comment as well. it's in some ways these candidates seize on that because they need a way to try to break through what is this clutter from all the media, from all the chatter. i'm not sure it works. i had a friend watching in a bar. didn't remember the biernlds full of women comment. we'll see. >> that's the thing. you have to win the debate and the post debate and the post
deba debate is about these moments, circling each other, who said what, who interrupted candy crowley. >> particularly the vice-presidential debate. that was a very, very substantive debate, but especially in a world where we're looking at 30-second ads and produce the next day and slap it on television, that's another incentive for the campaigns to shorten these to. >> iran has agreed to nuclear talks one on one over iran's nuclear program. a white house official came out and said it's not quite right, there is no firm agreement. what do you make of this story being leaked or confirmed by the administration one day before the boca raton debate? >> we have an automatic
surprise. the timing may not have been accidental. getting around to the table if it happens. >> if it happens. timing is just fascinating. since the debate tomorrow night is going to be moderated by cbs's bob schieffer, i had a chance to talk to him the other day for "the daily beast" about why the moderators in general have gotten so much criticism. he said part of it was the 24/7 noose cycle and then he said this. >> i think it also has to do with how partisan things have become now. >> right because if you're aligned with a candidate who you're perceiving as not doing well you can say it's the moderator's fault. >> yeah. i never heard anybody at a baseball game whop criticized
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the campaign got a little funnier this week. president obama stopped by "the daily show" on the same day that the candidates did routines at the al smith dinner in new york. >> when suddenly i pulled ahead in some of the major poll, what was the headline? polls show president obama leading from behind. >> i want to apologize to chris matthews. four years ago i gave him a thrill up his leg. this time around i gave him a stroke. >> how many time as week does biden show up in a bathing suit? >> i had to put out a presidential directive about that. i've got to say, he looks pretty good. >> now, to be fair, jackie
kucinich, jon stewart asked president obama serious questions as well. how important now is it going on "the daily show." >> for a certain demographic -- you go on "the daily show" if when you want to reach a certain demographic of people. for that purpose it is important, but, you know, for our purposes, i don't think they're catering to us. if you want youth to come out gorks , go on. >> romney was supposed to go on "the view," and decided not to go and he sent his wife ann. >> reporter: i think this is bad. "the view," "saturday night live," if you remember in 2008, hillary clinton, john mccain, sarah palin, and barack obama all went on "saturday night live" because they know that those venues fuel the dialogue and fuel the sort of water
cooler chitchat that goes on all around the office, so i actually think it's a real misreading of the intersection of pop culture and politics which i think barack obama has read very well and why you see him and obviously picking up the big bird feed. >> does the press scoff at candidates who can't do comedy? >> well candidates who can't read lines scripted by writers. al smith is sponsored by the catholic archdiocese of new york. catholic voters are extremely swing voters in america. you're not going tick off the archdiocese, so you put on your white tie, you show up. both ended on very nice notes of humility, whether sincere or not, about liking each other.
>> while journalists might prefer that these guys constantly come on cnn, the cable networks and do cable network interview, it seems like the center of gravity of the media have moved to "the view," and ""the daily show"" and letterman and jay leno. >> we want to see them be human beings, way from that lectern and way from that stump speech we're all sick of. and i think personally -- my own personal analysis, romney's declining to do it is a sipe of falling on the ball. he thinks he has this election won. he's not going to do risky things like going on "the view" or others. >> thanks iffer joining us this morning. ahead on "reliable sources"ing tina brown on taking "newsweek" all digital. but up next, breaking news on twitter. my breaking news on why he's
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head set on when i heard that jonathan was going to stay on fox. i pulled over, opened my ipad and twigged it. twitter is the new ap and, boy, was that true in this case. in minutes my message was tweeted to dozens and dozens turning those 140 characters breaking news well before i was able to write the actual story. so why is ales at the age of 72 stays on? fox is his baby and running the network keeps him politically engaged. others made sure to sit down with ales. news corp. paid him $21 million. for sheer velocity, nothing beating twitter. ahead on "reliable sources," for all the coverage and the carping of the debates, why is the press pinning down the candidates on
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in libya and the way candy crowley intervened. roll the tape. >> i think it's interesting that on the day after the attack he went into the rose garden and said this was an act of tearer. . you said in the rose garden the day after the attack it was an act of terror. >> please proceed. >> it was not a spontaneous demonstration, is that what you're saying? >> please proceed, governor. >> i want to get it right. >> he did indeed. >> can you say that a little louder, candy? >> he did call it an act of terror. it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea of there being a riot out there about this tape coming out. you're right about that. >> the administration indicate thad this was a reaction to a
video and was a spontaneous thing. >> david, correspondent for current tv and jennifer who write for "the washington post." is the criticism of candy crowley over that exchange fair or unfair? >> it's unfair. candy crowley is a veteran journalist. she did a terrific job. the problem here is not with candy crowley. i wish she had read the transcript. mitt romney got it wrong. i think it underscores how badly he handled the whole topic. >> you and others say candy was wrong. >> i'm a fan of candy.
i've written that before. i think she's a good interviewer here. she blew it on her substance and on her role as moderator. on the judge it with us not whether he sad acts of terror but whether he specifically identified this act as terrorism. he did not. >> he. >> excuse me. let me finish. >> he described the film at the beginning of his speechlt he spoke very movingly about the victims and then in the lakt twoing ates -- >> not in the same paragraph with benghazi. never said it was a ben zba city attack and fehr her to take sides. my interpretation may be wrong, i'll grant you that. but for her to take sides and intervene went well beyond and it was in the context of a debate. she gave mitt romney --
>> on this point, what's been lost in all the chatter is that candy said the transcript would reflect to president obama she then said to mitt romney it did take two weeks. in other words recognizing the administration's shifting. >> she was trying to help mitt romney. she was trying to help hymn. by the i wash jennifer, let's just go back and take a look. t he says, he talks about last night we learned the news of this attack in benghazi and two sentences later, two sentences later he says no acts of terror will shake the resolve. >> no, it wasn't that. you have the transcript. i'm going to play the role here. acts of terror were not in the in trow ductry paragraph, were
not specifically instructioned to benghazi. by the way i i don't thing this hurt mitt romney whatsoever. they're delighted to have this issue front and center. >> jennifer, why would he refer to acts of terror a day after the ben ga someday attack. the fact of the matter is for you of all people to criticize candy crowley because she didn't put "it" in when everybody knew what the president was talking about. it wasn't a mistake like a-- >> my interpretation is one held by jay carnie. on the 20th of september jay carnie said we never called it an act of terrorism. on october 20th -- >> mitt romney was focusing on the rose garden. that's fine. >> david, stop. >> he's the joe biden of "reliable sources." >> first i want to let candy
speak for herself. >> then we got up about this. i said terror, no you didn't and there was this point they both kind of looked at me. romney looked at me. the president was looking at me. what i wanted to do was move this along, could we get back so i said -- he did call it an act of terror but governor romney you were perfectly right that it took weeks for them. >> act of terror, people on one side applaud and then you said, yes, it took two weeks people on the other side. now backtrack? >> no. >> in our remaining moments i want to ask you this question starting with david schuster. we have seen in these debates in the last couple of weeks romney moderating his stance or em fa says on tone, tax cuts, immigration, pell grant which he wanted to make available for needier students. why has this not been more of a team for the press, the s substance of where this campaign
is headed? >> because they have done var effective job of trying to move everybody's attention away from the flip flops or for the fact that he lost the debate on issues line the economy and china and trade and they're trying to put it on these sort of issues whether candy crowley didn't state whathey stated in the rose garden. >> jennifer. i'd like to think i'm that popular, but i'm not. first listen, he didn't lose the debasement his trajectory in the debate has conned. >> the press is biased against romney, why are we not seeing more prominent stories about the his parent shift in tone? >> i think it's a miss knowner, however, that he has changed in substance. he has certainly changed in tone and that's evident for a candidate who's ahead at the end
of the race who wants to reach out to pure moderates. the president right now is in a hole so he's still reaching out with extreme statements on abortion, flogging this story on the binders, going to college campuses. he has a problem with his base. rochlny has moved beyond that and he's now moved toward independent voters. >> i have half a minute for you cocomment. david schuster. >> first of all, jennifer, you yourself said president obama need as game-changer. you're not exactly an independent arbiter. >> nor are you, david. >> on that point of disagreement, we are out of time. jennifer and david schuster, thanks for the lively debate. tina brown, my boss, why the 80-year-old magazine is moving from print to digital. ♪
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they have chronicled history from the beatles to john lennon to watergate going on to steve jobs, monica lewinsky, and sarah palin. now, some critics have questioned whether the merger could work when tina brown to founded the beast agreed to become the first female editor in chief. i spoke to the editor earlier from new york. tina brown, welcome. >> i h, howie. >> you inherited the ailing magazine nearly two years ago shortly after i started with the day by beast. could this be regarded as failure. >> you know, howie, it can't because, frankly we responded to the zeitgeist. when we took over it there were
13 million tablets in the united states. 70 million by the end of this year and ipad mini's coming out with 10 million orders. it's really a different world and it happened fast certainly. very, very fast. truly if "newsweek" had been in a stronger position, we would have been able to have some years to reverse the decline it might have been a different outcome, but it really has always been for the last year a question of when, not if. >> you grew up in print. i grew up in print. the iconic brand will fannish from the newsstands. >> you know, to be honest, in the last 12 months, i'd had to adjust in myself. i've always been a great print junky. i'm always a great junky. but my own habits have changed so dradramatically.
i don't go to news stations. even at airports i decide i'm going to opt what's on my ipad. yes, i i'm sorry because i feel a certain romance still for print and i always will. i still love books more than i love reading screens actually. but at the same time i know everything has changed and i also want to go where our readers are. in the end, you know, you want to rise to your audience, not sort of decide you're going to continue like some kind of a blind person who forgets it's no longer the silent era and we're now in the talkies. >> in terms of going to an all digital publication, will people pay for an ail digital magazine in the team when there's so much avail on the web including "the daily beast." >> you know, it's interesting. "newsweek's" tablet has grown very robustly in the last -- since we revamped it in january. we had a 233% increase from when we launched it and it's grown
very briskly. it's now 44,000 and we're going to be able to transfer a great many subs over to the digital "newsweek" so we begin with a good healthy and robust circulation and we can build on that. clooer clearly it's going to be something that evolves with time. we're going to have to do a lot of iteration on that. but at the same time it is the only way to go. i mean we don't feel we would gain anything by trying to hang on to the high costs and all the headaches of the legacy past which is really what we don't want to do. >> some of the critics out there, tina, said in an effort to gain attention from "newsweek" you did some covers that were controversial. >> you know, i think the covers have to be a real marketplace for it. i always felt that covers should be talking points and the covers of "newsweek" have been no different from the covers i
always have. it insights conversation which launches something into the world. the whole thing about tablets is covers will still very much be a part of it. >> this process that you'll be presiding over will painful obviously if you don't have to put out a printed magazine. you said there will be staff reductions. >> yes. there will be less of a need for the amount of people. that, of course, is the painful part of this whole thing. it's a something a lot of companies are going through right now. it's causing a great deal of restructured in company. obviously i love the people that i work with here and they are talented, they're gifted, and they work so hard. it's been a tough two years in this company. first of all there was a magazine that was for sale for nearly a year which all of the lack of morale.
threaten was a new owner, no editor for many, many months, an interim. then one of the owners died. it's been a lot of tu multiand then there was the merger with "newsweek" and "the daily beast beast", one of the things i'm very proud of them about, through all of the interruption, they've continued to do incredibly good work and they've done that under really quite challenging circumstances at times. >> you've edited two magazine that are still quite successful. what kind of magazines have a future in print? >> well, i think every one of the magazines out there right now is analyzing, you know, where it goes with all of this. some magazines will stay with print much longer than others. the ones that have gone in strong to begin with and have develop add robust platform that
has been secure for some time, also has a big parent company with many other titles which can keep it alopt but there will be others. i do think fashion magazines probably have one of the longer shelf lives. it's shiny and really something of a love object as well as something of a. >> tina brown. thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you, howie. and joining us now from new york is jeff jarvis, former magazine enter who runs the entrepreneuri entrepreneurial journalism in new york. you've heard tina brown. could any editor have saved noo "news week." >> when she got it.
i should have given her condolences. you could see what was going to happen here. there was no future interest for this. general interest is doomed. print is in trouble and the whole trouble. and the whole idea this this magazine doesn't work anymore. i think at the end of its lift got desperate. the muslim raged, the heaven is real cover, were self parodies of the forum. >> you say there is no need or market for general interest magazines but "time" is owned by cnn's parent company and part of a stable including "people," sports illustrated, fortune, doing pretty well. >> pretty well and stable is fine. i used to be a magazine junkie. i started a magazine called entertainment weekly. i love magazines but i'm on-line now. yes, there's still life in print but clearly the future is
digital. >> you don't go to newsstands even to pick up the new york post on your way to work? >> no, i don't. newsstands in new york are as hard to find as mailboxes. >> like pay telephone booths. it was "newsweek" global as it will be called going on-line. will people pay for a digital magazine on-line? arianna huffington tried it and had to give away of the huffington post magazine for free. >> i don't think so. i'm not opposed to charging for content. i will happily sell you my two books in one kindle single. there is so much content from the daily beast itself i don't think there is a market for this on-line. tina said something that made sense to me about the business model here. she said they are transferring subscriptions to the tablet. what they have in the owner of this is a big liability in future subscription obligations so i finally get it, they are
going to transfer them to the tablet. i'm not saying what about the future of "newsweek" in any form. >> right. magazines in their heyday and you edited one and i have worked for one, they present a vision and tone, a collection of writers and the web seems to be about searching for topics or stories that people are interested in, making people the editors of their own magazines. can a magazine work on-line, or is it an attempt to transfer and old-fashioned concept to a digital frontier where it may not fit? >> i was talking to a crowd about cure ration and that we talk about curators too much. tina brown herself is a curator and a darn good one. however, we now have this opportunity to be curators to find stuff. it's not just search, it's also
social. my friends on twitter are curators finding me good stuff. >> do we have time to do all of that cure rating rather than letting professional journalist do it for us. >> i think we do. tina helped us along. she discovered that brands don't just rub off on writers, writers rub off on brands. she hired top writer and now they have their own brands on-line. >> jeff jarvis, thank you for joining the conversation this morning. still to come, chris wallace uses pinterest to fight crime and a magazine writer tweets his way in to trouble. on the road. so, what do you think? [ engine revs ] i'll take it. [ male announcer ] it's chevy truck month. now during chevy truck month, get 0% apr financing for 60 months or trade up to get the 2012 chevy silverado all-star edition
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this year saying big deal saying readers should tell by his comments that he is a democrat. readers shouldn't have to ask, they should ask and disclose whether a professor or any other expert has made political donations. a tip of the hat to chris wallace for challenging the political spin. when ed gillespie was on fox news sunday he asked how the republican nominee could cut taxes 0% without increasing the deficit or providing details? >> what we have said is we will pay for them by eliminating loopholes. >> those are questionable. some are blogs. some from the aei which is an independent group. >> these are credible sources. >> one is from a guy who is a blog from a guy who with was a top adviser to george w. bush. hardly nonpartisan studies. >> some print folks had noted he's not been independent studies but wallace didn't let it go by without challenge.
here's one about crime fighting in the digital age. the pottstown mercury has set up a board on pinterest with updated mug shots of suspects wanted by police. tloek local authorities report a 58% jump in arrests a few months after the site went up. readers can post comments that may provide the police with valuable tips. the "new york times" magazine suspended andrew goldman for a month for something he wrote on twitter. in a times interview he asked an actress if she thought of having sex with an director to advance her career. when she tweeted the questions seemed to be sexist. she said she would have liked the opportunity to sleep her way to the top and used an obscenity in response to another critic. we have gotten a lesson how tweeting with first and thinking later can be dangerous. that's it for this edition of "r